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May 13, 2008

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David Smith

David Smith writes :
I'm delighted to hear Dr. Rees say "This translates as 'on the words of no one'... a commitment to empirical evidence as the basis of knowledge..."

I take that to mean that the programming language "words" that, added to assumptions and simplifications make up computerized models (software = data structures + algorithms), will no longer be used to drive policy recommendations.

Or is that too much to hope?

RS responds to David Smith :

The noble Lord Master of Trinity
I'm sure would be glad to be rid of me
But it's Latin infernal
To make in The Journal
Of nemo and nullius a quiddity

Paul Nevins

Mr. Rees I am sorry but your position does not convince.

Let me put this simply; as long as the troposphere temperature data does not fit the theory, the theory that carbon dioxide causes greenhouse effect warming is wrong. In addition, as long as the paleo record shows that, in the past, temperature increase has preceeded carbon dioxide increase the theory that carbon dioxide in the atmosphere causes warming is wrong. You cannot dismiss a violation in causality with a wave of the hand or a claim on consensus. Other evidence that may or may not support the theory is irrelevent.

If a theory fails to explain observed phenomena or fails to be useful as a predictive tool it should be discarded. At the present the theory you are supporting has failed on both criteria.

The global warming establishment has turned a legitimate scientific question into a large scale demonstration of poor ethics. This is doing a great damage to science as a whole.

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What part of ' carbon cycle feedback' don't you understand ?

Robert Speirs

So Lord Rees's position is that because the Royal Society takes the word of no man, we should take the word of the Royal Society?

Ron Schwarz

Regarding causality -- if we have accepted the idea of the ends justifying the means, then does it not follow (not that "following" per se has any particular weight under this regime) that causality is a casualty of the revolution?

I suppose it all depends on how we define what "we" is. :)

Alastair Carnegie

"...there is no place in a free society for a self-appointed Central Committee of Scientific Truth..."

The proverb "Every cloud has a silver lining." prompts me to speculate that the younger generation are straining at the leash, eager to investigate these 'sacred cow' scientific theories with a dissenting opinion. Youth will always rally to the rebelious cause. The prospects of new scientific discovery are highest, when dogma is defended by 'Inquisition' rather than reasoned argument.

Science may once again become a popular pursuit, by virtue of controversy.

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